T. H. Cleemann
2 min readJul 10, 2023

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Oh wow.

You really are running down the incel rabbit hole, full speed. I'm sad to see it, I felt a glimmer of hope from our last 'discussion'.

You do have a lot of good points here, especially the ending about how we should all be allowed to be here, the way we are and work together. However, you spend your entire piece discussing how women aren't servicing men well enough??? Is that what you mean about combining powers?

You make points about why men are violent and why they don't understand women or how to behave around them and basically all of it blames women. Really?

So men are bad at understanding women because women are bad at teaching them?

And women not listening when men tell them how to be feminine? We've done nothing else for the past 2000 years!

And feminism. Yes, lets discuss that.

You start by saying there's feminism and radical feminism and them proceed to call it all feminism.

There are radicalists in all factions, no matter the cause, but by all means, lets generalise for the sake of argument.

The biggest problem I have with this however is how you're leaving out the fact that men are the governing race. This gives them power and privilege as a demographic (not individually) that no other demographic has. And this, I believe, is the main reason why men don't listen to women. Because they haven't had to. Now, however, times are changing and minorities are gaining traction in expressing their grievances and all of a sudden the world isn't as ordered and nice as men (as a demographic) thought it was. And it's scary! I get it! It's fucking hard to find your footing in the world as it is at the moment.

But blaming it all on women? Because we don't play nice? Because we complain about being beaten, raped and abused?

I don't buy that for a second.

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